Inclusive Heathen podcast containing a healthy dose of geekery, a fair bit of cake and a hint of queer, by Suzanne Martin, the Gytha in Jeans, and a Coffee-Powered Druid called Kate Coldwind.

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Episode 137 Ancestors of the Future

Things we talk about in this episode:

Opening Music:

'Ancient Whispers I' by P C III, licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Licence.


Closing Music:

'Round II - The Ancients' by Learning Music, licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Licence


Background fire ambience by inchadney from


Gary Larson - The Far Side: (The 'Cow Tools' cartoon: ) ('Punk Porcupines':

Trekkies: (Some fans prefer the term 'Trekker' for various reasons - you may hear either.)

Star Wars fan community: As a term for Star Wars fans, 'Warsies' has been used, mostly as a play on 'Trekkies', but its use was limited in a few forums and it never picked up much traction. 'Star Warrior' and 'Wannabe Jedi' also get mentioned but, again, don't seem to be in common circulation.


Awaken The North:

Artemis I Lunar Test Flight: (Looks like the next launch window is September 3, 2022; so Saturday, we think, not Friday as Kate said.)

Captain Proton, a fictitious character played by a fictitious character played by Robert Duncan McNeill in 'Star Trek: Voyager':

Robert Duncan McNeill - actor and director; played Tom Paris in Star Trek: Voyager, who in turn, within the show, played Captain Proton:


I'd put a reference in here for 50 Shades of Grey and how it started out as Twilight fan-fic but we're rated Universal. PG at worst.

'Time' from the 2010 Christopher Nolan movie 'Inception'. The soundtrack was composed by Hans Zimmer. (And this track gives Kate the shivers, she doesn't mind admitting it.):

Lorentz transformation: This is a mathematical method for relating the comparative experiences or observations of two observers in separate space-time reference frames (say, someone standing on a planet and someone moving at high sub-light speed in a starship).

"A big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." - From the Doctor Who episode 'Blink':

"All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." - Battlestar Galactica, the 2003 're-imagining', repeatedly uses this phrase as a quote from an in-universe holy scripture. It's also the first line spoken - fairly inexplicably, if you ask us - by the narrator in Disney's Peter Pan, but try as we might we can't find a decent clip of that.

The Bootstrap Paradox. Gonna go back to the Doctor again to explain this one:

Despicable Me - Gru announces his (super)villainous plan:

"What we do in life echoes in eternity." From the 2000 movie 'Gladiator':

"Shadows and dust." Also from 'Gladiator':

On the reading-out of Shakespeare plays in class: it was actually the other way around than Kate said. It was Brutus talking to Cassius, not Cassius talking to Brutus.

"All we have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to us." Spoken by Gandalf to Frodo in The Lord of the Rings:

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